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Friday, October 12, 2007

Obstruction of Big Brother Justice

Here it was. A quiet Friday morning and I'm toiling away at work while listening to my favorite podcasts. At the time, I was listening to the latest Reality TV Podcast by Rob and Trevor. Now at the beginning of their latest podcast, they announced that they had interviewed CBS' Big Brother 8 contestant, Jessica Hughbanks and that her interview would be played after their regular show. They kept dropping teasers about something that floored them halfway through the interview. I couldn't wait to hear it!

And so it began at the 59:52 mark in their podcast. OMG!!! Go listen to it yourself if you can immediately! If you can't, I've transcribed that part of the conversation the best that I could below. It's a relatively long read but definitely worth it. You're just not going to believe it. Or perhaps you will.

Trevor - Now one of the biggest tactical moves of the entire game was Eric not taking the opportunity to backdoor Dick and Daniele down the stretch. I think that actually cost you, may well have cost you, the game because if he backdoors Dick and Daniele one of them will go home and I had you getting to the final two in that scenario. What was your thoughts on that, like looking back on it what do you think of that whole situation?

Jessica - Well *big pause*, um I'm gonna, on the chat we had earlier, Eric explained he wasn't allowed to use the veto that week. The producers said that America wasn't given enough time to decide who he should use it on if he was going to so that just flat out told him he is not allowed to use the veto at all - nominations had to stay the same. Which is why Eric didn't use the veto. I think that's because they knew if he used the veto I was going to put up one of the Donatos, Dick or Daniele, and so they just said you know you can't do it. I didn't know it at the time. I said, 'What? What is going through your head? This is the perfect opportunity to get one of the big dogs out of here' and he wouldn't do it but I went along with him because I had to. He had the power that week. He was my ally. I....

Trevor - Wait a sec. I'd never even heard that. So the producers actually told Eric he wasn't allowed to use the Power of Veto like he told you this beforehand why he didn't use it?

Jessica - No, he couldn't tell me in the house that he wasn't allowed to use it but afterward he said they said 'Do not use it. You don't have a choice. You are to keep nominations the same.'

Rob - So did you pressure him a lot that week to use the veto or?

Jessica - I did. I wanted him to. I didn't pressure him but I talked to him about it saying we have an amazing opportunity right now. I put up two people that were were just kinda like ehh so we have the opportunity to get somebody out that is huge in the game and I wanted to but because he was told that he couldn't he had to keep arguing to me 'No no no. We have the right people up. Trust in the alliance it's all going to be good' and I had to go along with it because I didn't have a choice.

Rob - Did you trust the alliance?

Jessica - I doubted the alliance probably more than anybody. I doubted it to Eric and I never tried to let Dick and Daniele know that I doubted it because I felt like they would use that against me if they did. Eric had to talk to me every day because I said 'We're making the wrong decision, we're making the wrong decision, I can't do this with them, I don't trust them' but he couldn't do anything about it. His hands were tied the entire season.

Trevor - Well that's just I did not know that. That's really shady when you think about it.

Jessica - Very! Yes! And that's why I'm like ...

Trevor - I would be furious if I were you.

Jessica - I am.

Trevor - If you rewatch the season, CBS may have basically cost you $500,000 because if he backdoors Dick and Daniele you're probably going to the final two and you're winning if you get there.

Jessica - Yep. It was a game and I was outplayed.

Everybody laughs.

Rob - You are taking it really really well then Jessica.

Trevor - If I were you I'd be flipping out still right now.

Jessica - Yeah.

Trevor - That's just really shady because American couldn't vote and let him know what to do he wasn't allowed to use the power of veto? I mean it seems to me like that's just like a perversion of the entire game strategy.

Jessica - Exactly. And they would threaten Eric if he failed a task they would say 'If you fail one more task, the next question's going to be should Eric be able to stay in the game'. And so um and then America would vote him out if they wanted him gone. He would just be kicked out of the house in the middle of the game so Eric really had to try on the America things and I just I don't know. I wasn't happy with it whenever I found everything out.

Rob - So basically if Eric didn't do a very good job at sleepwalking and going into Joe's room and bed they were going to cut his nuts off?

Jessica - Yes. They were going to say, they told him after he failed that one that's when they said 'If you fail your next task the next question will be should Eric stay in the Big Brother house.'

Trevor - Well see because me and Rob discussed this on the show because Eric, in the Big Brother rules it says that Eric gets $10,000 for completing each task.. I was always complaining to Rob does it say anywhere if he doesn't try to do the tasks at all like what's his penalty for it? So now I guess we know.

Rob - Apparently, they put his nuts in a jar. I mean....

Trevor - Well, I'm still just dumbstruck by the fact he wasn't allowed to use the Power of Veto for that weekend. He cost himself maybe $500,000.

Jessica - I know! Exactly. And I don't understand why a lot of the other houseguests are still mad at Eric. They're mad at him when they really should be mad at America or the producers and they're holding grudges against him that wasn't his decision.

Trevor - Who's holding grudges against him? Anybody like big?

Jessica - Um, just like, the people that you know, that were cost(?) because of it. Like Jameka and Amber and there's a bunch of people that are just like ....

Rob - Oh, those two are f***ing crazy.

Jessica - Yeah.

Trevor - I mean I don't see how you can fault Eric right now I mean I totally faulted him for your elimination like all that I was like I can't believe he didn't use the Power of Veto. I was literally like cursing at my television screen. What's he doing? No! No!

Rob - You were cursing on this show.

Trevor - I was so mad I was like who taught, he says he's watched seven seasons of Big Brother. How does he not backdoor Dick or Daniele there? Now we know.

Jessica - Yeah. I think he totally would've if he could've. He told me all along that he would have so....

So there we have it folks. That's the reason Eric didn't use the POV. Because the producers (are you out there Allison Grodner?) told him he couldn't. I'm sorry but that's just.... I believe you can finish my thought there.

If any of you out there doubted the level of manipulation from the producers that others were accusing them of, I guess now you know.

What are your thoughts on this? Personally, I'm still in awe over this.

Posted by HamsterDame at October 12, 2007 10:45 AM

Comments

I can't believe it! And I can (unfortunately from what I've heard about the producers)

I feel bad for Jessica and Eric most of all.

Posted by: farinca at October 12, 2007 11:02 AM

Eric already disclosed that in the RealPlayer Feed 1 chat a few weeks ago and it was discussed in his brother's thread at Survivor Sucks. Apparently Josh (Eric's brother) already knew about it before Eric disclosed it but he hadn't mentioned it in the thread because he wasn't sure he was allowed to.

I can't say I am surprised as it seems the producers wanted to keep D & D in the game as long as possible because they helped the ratings. Now before any of you yell, I was cheering for D & D to win so it isn't sour grapes that I think the game was "slanted". I just believe it was.

From HD - It was the first I'd heard about it.

Posted by: Peggy in Buffalo NY at October 12, 2007 11:12 AM

If this is true, I'm just so UPSET over this! I just can't believe it...yet I can. How ridiculous.

I don't think I can ever watch the show again and it have the same entertainment value it's had. Hmmm...I may never watch again, period.

What am I saying? I'll be a sucker all over again.

They certainly did cheat Eric and Jessica out of winning...that's for sure!

Posted by: johnny'sangel at October 12, 2007 11:21 AM

I wonder how much trouble Jessica might get in for talking? But yeah thats really low of the producers. Exspecialy the " If you fail one more task". AHHH I just got done being mad at B.B. and now its started up again lol

Posted by: shawn at October 12, 2007 11:29 AM

thanks for posting this HD. i have read so much stuff on BB but never this interesting tidbit. it makes you go WTF??? i wonder if the producer will respond??

Posted by: jude at October 12, 2007 11:34 AM

I was floored when I heard that. I was also ticked off that Jessica, during another part of the interview, said that they tried to manipulate her goodbye speech to Carol. Since she refused to say bad things, they just spliced an old diary room interview into a goodbye speech. That goodbye speech is one of the reasons why America wanted Eric to get her nominated the next week!

Big Brother needs to go back to being a game show. It needs to be regulated. Obviously, most of the contestants thought it was a game when they applied. Now people know. If you go on Big Brother, the only way you have a chance at winning is if you are the most entertaining person on the show. Otherwise, the producers will fix it so that you lose. Future contestants beware!

Posted by: sandic at October 12, 2007 11:35 AM

Sounds like the outcome of the game was decided ahead of time.

Posted by: Kaanjo at October 12, 2007 11:46 AM

Wow, that changed the outcome of the game for sure! If he had been able to use the veto, Jessica and Eric very well could have made it to the final two instead! I wish that had been the case...

Posted by: Lynn at October 12, 2007 12:05 PM

That is such a perversion of the game. It makes me angry, and it makes me think that there should be some suing going on. Remember when Mark Burnett was sued because parts of Survivor were re-enacted so that he could tape them from the air without production crews in the way? He got in trouble for not disclosing that parts were redone. I would say that the BB producers should get sued because they were tampering with the game while giving the illusion that it was "reality."

Posted by: Erica at October 12, 2007 02:15 PM

Peggy, You are correct.. Eric had already made the statement about not being able to use the Power of Veto.. so this is nothing new to get all upset about.. BB was more than justified in keeping him from using it since they were unable to work out the logistics to allow America to direct his usage..

Nuff said..

Posted by: Rod at October 12, 2007 02:58 PM

Sounds like sour grapes to me. I don't believe
Eric was ever a favorite to win. Eric nor Jessica would ever have gotten my vote to win....
Remember the only way Eric got on the show was to be America's player or our player.

Posted by: gemini at October 12, 2007 03:06 PM

Ugh. I was over the whole BB thing. Then I read the transcript and got honked off. Then I read the comments and got even more honked off. Peggy in Buffalo NY, thank you for keeping it real. You other DD fans that are still defending them, get a freaking clue!

Posted by: Stephie at October 12, 2007 05:16 PM

If I were any one of the houseguests at that point in the game when the producer did this, I would be suing CBS BB8 for fraud!!!! And I would sue for way more than $500,000. They went into this game playing by the rules, and BB8 pulls this crap?

Posted by: Cathy j at October 12, 2007 05:21 PM

GRRRRRR! More manipulation and more information that just solidifies my belief that this season was "fixed." I do think the producers should be sued. Misrepresentation of a reality show. Makes me really wonder all over again how America's votes were tabulated. ...Were they even tabulated. Text voting cost money for each vote. They made money over phony reality, and they screwed over the other players on this show but using stunts like this to ensure the double DD's would be there at the end.

...Sigh and my blood pressure had finally gone down. : )

Posted by: Sharon at October 12, 2007 05:23 PM

Well, I feel like I have been had. I hope next season it is all strangers and no "twist" (lies). Come on producers...if reality tv is manipulated then I rather watch a good classic movie for the 50th time. Next summer if there are twist like this year I am not watching.

Posted by: Mary at October 12, 2007 08:49 PM

Absolutely disgusting. I can sum up my thoughts in one sentence. Big Brother can kiss my ass!

Posted by: pcnerd37 at October 12, 2007 10:05 PM

Well, I have to say that Trevor & I are still in shock, and couldn't believe what was said after Jessica hung up the phone that day!

I had kinda heard that they mentioned this on the Real chat, but I had NO idea what they talked about, and it obviously didn't get the attention it deserved.

The producers had wanted Dick & Daniele to win ever since they knew they had mended their relationship, and they would do anything to make sure they won.

Thanks to everyone who listened to our show, and hope you continue to. Let us know if you have any questions, and thanks to SillyHamsters for all their support this year! THANKS

Rob
rob@rffradio.com

Posted by: Rob at October 13, 2007 06:18 AM

It was all about the ratings. The longer they kept D&D in the longer they had the audience. They knew this from the way America was voting...they wanted Dick to win. I loved the idea of America but man....did "we" ever have the absolute power! I doubt anyone but Eric could have pulled it off....and it bit him in the butt afterwards. If America wanted to vote him off the show, how were we going to pull it off??? If he had gone against the producers and back doored D or D, how were we going to get him to vote himself off....something does not sound right.

Posted by: mary at October 13, 2007 08:23 AM

Let's be for real if Eric was truly Americas player then we would have picked the task for him to complete. The reality is that he as Big Brother's player with a little bit of american influence to make it look legit. Now I have to say I liked The donatos not because of there wonderful personalities but like most people they entertained me. I wathc the show to be entertained. I am not surprised that the producers had a hand in it becasue truthfully we knew it during the feeds. How many times did Amber come from the diary room saying they really are trying to get me to keep someone that was on the block. I heard it at least twice when Eric was up there and then when Dick was on the block. That has an affect if you ask me. If you put the bug in someone's head that they should vote or do a certian way then chances are they are going to vote or lean that way. We knew Eric hands were tied we are now just finding out how tied they were. I know it sucks really to think that something that claims to be real/reality is really more like what I want you to know and see. They gained more fans this years because love them or hate them the Donatos were entertaing I mean a showmance,broken relationship, mending of old wounds you just can't write that stuff any better.

Posted by: Raeh at October 13, 2007 09:14 AM

I am glad jessica came out and said this, finally we are getting some truth of what was going on with America's Player.

When I heard this it really cast a shadow on teh game because I thought what else were they up to? We never saw any results of the votes, did we really have a vote or was it the producers decisions?

I hope next year there are no twists were producers have such an ability to direct the game. I hope for a purer version of the game.

Posted by: BBFanTO at October 13, 2007 01:43 PM

While it's never been a secret that the producers manipulate the "plot", this revelation is beyond manipulation. It is downright fraud. The fans were deceived, the houseguests, and the game itself has been compromised. This season was my least favorite and one of my bigger complaints was how Jen was portrayed. While I do recognize she wasn't a widespread favorite for a lot of obvious reasons, I could barely stomach the whole Dick tea/cigarette/abusive rant(s) bit. I feel the producers really stuck it to her. As did the editors. So, no, I'm not surprised by this admission by Jessica. In a weird way, it validates why this season, for me, really sucked. (For lack of a better word.) *** Hey HD--- you probably won't tell, but do you have a myspace?***

From HD - Sorry. I don't have a myspace.

Posted by: Kate at October 13, 2007 03:28 PM

This is outrageous and totally unfair! The D&D people should stop having grand illusions of how great they were. The show was fixed. Very unfair to the other HG's and I don't see how they're not suing CBS.

Posted by: Lauralei at October 13, 2007 06:56 PM

Well, I have three comments:

First, the game was compromised from the
very beginning because in having an "America's
Player" through Eric, Eric was not playing to
advance himself in the game, like the rest of
the contestants, but to help advance those
contestants America favored by having him
target the contestants that America did not
favor.

Second, if the producers were truly abiding
by the rules of America's Player, it seems to
me that America should have decided whether or
not Eric should have used the Power of Veto, rather than the scenario that apparently played out, in which the producers pressured Eric not to use the Power of Veto.

Third, despite the fact that the producers
may have pressured Eric into not using the
Power of Veto, I doubt the outcome would have
been any different. If America had its say -- which it should have, given that Eric was playing for America -- they would have voted for him
not to use the Power of Veto, in keeping with
preserving their favored alliance of Dick and Danielle. Thus, had the producers been consistent
in their use of "America's Player," I don't think
we can say Jessica was robbed; Amber still would
have been voted out that week (incidentally, I think Jessica's fatal mistake was nominating Amber that week anyways)

Posted by: MKJD at October 13, 2007 07:50 PM

Oh, my God! Eric is such an idiot! He better be absolutely 100% sure that BB producers told him all that (and he's not just saying it to save face with Jessica), or he's looking at a HUGE lawsuit and probably breach of contract. If, in fact, the producers DID tell him he could not use the veto because America didn't have time to instruct him as to how we'd like it played, then I see no problem with that. Somewhere along the line, people forgot that this was not about US supporting Eric's game, it was about HIM playing as WE would. It was evident from every vote and every poll that the majority wanted Dick and Danielle in the house. (In fact, I believe one our choices for eviction early on was Jessica!)
Either way, get over it, folks. I'm sure many of you had no problem when the game was obviously manipulated for Kaysar and that lot from Season 6. You're just reacting emotionally.
It's a game.

Posted by: Gillian at October 13, 2007 08:17 PM

Eric himself said on housecalls that he wasn't allowed to use the veto because viewers didn't have a chance to vote whether he should or not.

Eric also said he wouldn't have used it anyways because of the way AP was going he had a feeling America wouldnt vote out Dani

My guess is Jess just misunderstood.

Posted by: Rosario at October 13, 2007 09:00 PM

Those of you who watched the showtime after dark or read the blogs, should have been able to pick up on the fact that the producers had much more say in the game than the actual players. Dick, even though I didn't like him, made for great TV, everyone tuned in because we all wanted to see what he would do next. On the Showtime after dark, Danielle would often say how "they" the people behind the cameras wanted D & D to win.. now come on, if the camera men were pulling for them to win, then we should have figured out that they were probably giving them clues all along to help them win. I won't bother wasting my time on this show again.. I thought it was real but to see how the producers pulled this one out, turned me off of BB for good.

Posted by: nina at October 13, 2007 09:03 PM

Who is surprised by this? He was Americas Player and we should have realized he would not have been able to use it if he won it. He could not even play in how many before that. Do I care? No! It is a game and he had to follow the rules. He was probably told this before they even had anybody on the block, it was probably in his contract. I dont think it was just for the Donatos that it was decided. It was an entertaining season. Therefore, I will keep watching until it is too boring to watch. Drama makes good tv.

Posted by: Duh!! at October 13, 2007 09:31 PM

Eric and Jessica did not deserve to win and they didn't! People who loved them and thought they were so cute together had this fantasy in their mind and it never came true...lol. I'm so happy the Donato team won. As for Amber and Jameka being bitter, they were bitter before they entered the Big Brother house. Both of them have some issues and no one cares to ever them on reality tv again. The rest of the houseguests (excluding Jen) seem to be real people who played the game and lost (with no hard feelings). Best of luck to Dick and Daniele.

Posted by: BB8 Fan at October 13, 2007 10:05 PM

If you watched the live feeds then you would have known that the producers manipulated the game the entire season, i heard them myself the day that Nick was evicted, Kail wanted to DOR and the producers talked her out of it, the BB show has turned into a production not a reality show, but because i am a Donato fan i was very happy to see someone win that i had routed for, that hadn't happened since BB2 when Will Kirby won.

Posted by: Lynn at October 13, 2007 10:26 PM

Y'all are delusional. Eric was hired by BB to do a job. They were his boss but he had to vote the way America told him to. If he didn't like those rules, he didn't have to go on the show, his choice. He had to listen to his boss! And let's just say for arguements sake that America would have had enough time to vote, do you really think they would have had him backdoor Dick or Daniele? Looks guys, Eric never stood a chance at winning by being AP and Jess never played the game for herself therefore she never would have won. I hope she realizes now not to ever let someone else make HER decisions. The true winners prevailed! Kudos to both of them. Don't watch it anymore, yeh right, you'll be back.

Posted by: Kirk at October 13, 2007 11:02 PM

Regardless, no one will vote for jess or eric to win. GOt it? Eric was not going to sue the POV. Sorry for the manipulating with Jess good bye speech. GUESS what, u all cannot resist watching BB, u will still watch it after this.

Posted by: cas at October 13, 2007 11:18 PM

Dick was the producers' favored houseguest from the beginning. That is why there was nobody else put in the house who had enough backbone to stand up to him. If they had put anyone in there who had balls, the show wouldn't have gone as they wished for it to go...and how it did go.

Posted by: Quirkydude at October 14, 2007 06:20 AM

These BS conspiracy notions about BB's prouducers forcing America's Idiot to not use the veto in a malicious context are retarded. Why do some of you choose to forget that he WAS America's Player and obviously he had a different contractuial obligation to live up to while in the house.

He was NOT just playing the game like everyone else was, and it seems very understandable why some of his major plays in the game were meant for "America" to have a say in. Wasn't that what it was all about? So of course him making such a major desicion like using a veto without us having our vote/say in what he should do, would make perfect sense.

Jessica, Eric thier families and ALL the other Houseguests and their familes are equally pissed and bitter about losing the game...especially losing to game to The Donatos!

With the america's player position and obligations.. he was on a different set of rules.. the producers did have different interaction and direction for him because he wasn't in there for himself. If he didn't choose to take the America's Player deal he would have been able to have free will in the entire game.

Get over trying to make it like you were all munipilated by the evil producers schemes and understand the concept of the crappy America's Player twist's rules.

Posted by: blondzilla at October 14, 2007 06:48 AM

Eric was AP he was playing for AMERICA, not Jessica, not himself ...he was payed extra to do what he was told. He agreed to do it. Jessica was a *terrible* player, she'd be better off saying the producers told her to sleep and drink, all day. Because that's really why she lost.

Posted by: Bundt Cake at October 14, 2007 08:32 AM

I find this interview bitter grapes. Jessica just might of gotten Eric into a lot of trouble with this interview. D&D played an outstanding game from the get go, there wasn't a week where they didnt have to worry about been put on the block. Maybe the producers did have more say then they should have but Eric knew he was our player so deal with it Jessica. Jessica you never started to play the game until you won HOH then cry that Eric screwed it for you and if not him the Donatoes?? Take from this that when your gut tells you something isn't right that is probably isn't. Remember who screwed you first it was Eric but because you learned he had no choice you blame the Donatoes when the real blame is on you. Donatoes played the game and you just got outplayed end of story. I liked you alot all the way to now but hearing this interview makes me think you really are not what you portray to be and that is someone who does hold things against people for a very long time and the Carol thing shows that. Get over it and move on the best players won end of story maybe if there is an all stars you can prove what a outstanding player you can be.

Posted by: donna at October 14, 2007 08:53 AM

Why would anyone be suprised by this? Do you think this is the first season this has happened? I mean - get real! Anyone that thinks the producers don't have a hand in ANY reality show is just fooling themselves.

Posted by: Kay at October 14, 2007 09:02 AM

*snore* who cares@! get over it

Posted by: Cali at October 14, 2007 09:17 AM

Let's also not forget that the notion that America did not have enough time to vote on what Eric should do with the veto is ludicrous. America voted during the double eviction episode for Eric to try to get Daniele nominated and that voting took place in a matter of minutes. So that excuse by the producers is nonsense.

However, we should also not forget that the Producers were instrumental in having Eric stay the week he was nominated, so without their interference at that junction in the game there probably would not even be an opportunity for Eric to win the veto down the road.

Posted by: Egan Foote at October 14, 2007 09:52 AM

HE WAS AMERICA'S PLAYER... DUH.. Jessica get that through your tiny brain... he was playing for America... too bad if you lost.. AMERICA WON!

Posted by: lashelle at October 14, 2007 09:56 AM

as i remember that was the week amber and zach were nominated and america voted that they wanted amber to be put up on the block for eviction. so when eric won the pov he didn't change the nominations because the hg that america wanted gone was on the block. that is what eric said in an interview too. so i don't know i think that is why he wasn't allowed to use it.

Posted by: immalik at October 14, 2007 10:05 AM

I read someone say that the producers were 'more than justified in not letting him use it' because there wasn't time to do an America's Choice Poll.

I'm sorry, but that's 100% wrong.

NOT using the veto is one of the options that poll would have. For the producers to pick it "for us" is ridiculous. If the producers say that they have to stay out of it, then they have to stay out of it. What if they told him that he had to vote to keep Dick in one week because there was a problem with the polls?

If the producers can't use their poll to choose Option A, Option B, Option C... then they should have stayed out of it, not just decided 'for america' that they're picking Option C.

Posted by: anon at October 14, 2007 10:41 AM

OK..then shouldn't we talk about the diary room telling amber she couldnt vote eric out. Because she said that she would do it if Dustin didnt. Get over it...all these shows are fixed but we still watch them. Congratulations DIck and Danile

Posted by: bbfan at October 14, 2007 11:43 AM

Oh, I feel SOOOO sorry for Eric to have ONLY $40,000 . Poor contestant. I hope everyone remembers that this is a game and if you think that manipulation of a game or a show are exclusive to BB than you need to get a reality (no pun intended) check! American Idol, Survivor, etc. have producers involved in the results and outcomes too! IT'S A REALITY!

I have always been a fan of D & D and I am sure that this news probably ticks them off too! No one wants to win and have this kind of crap come out later. Remember, Dani and Dick had no idea America even liked them, REMEMBER?

Did you watch the Reality Awards last night HD? I thought it was real low budget and kind of a disappointment!

Miss BB and all the drama that goes with the show! Silly Reality is getting me through my BB rehab. THANKS.

Posted by: shebart at October 14, 2007 02:14 PM

Botton line is this. The producers do manipulate the show. They always have. Janelle won so many veto's because her room mates threw competitions for her or the producers hand made veto comps that would be easy for Janelle to win.

Why do you think these people spend hours each day in the diary room? They are asked specific questions so the producers can manipulate, splice and dice the answers to get a response from viewers. TV is about ratings and ratings = $$$$$.

The Donato's were hand picked by producers to win the game. They being there together, was no coincidence. This game is manipulated at every level for tv entertainment. It is only a delusion that there is any strategy involved.

Posted by: lvmaui at October 14, 2007 02:41 PM

What is with all of the revisionist history? Eric was not a regular player! He had no choice in the big decisions. He was told what to do. And there really was no time to get America to vote. On the show, the veto competition and ceremony happen in the same episode. That's just the way it was. Get over it people. If Eric had not agreed to these rules he never would have been allowed to go on the show.

Posted by: Owen at October 14, 2007 03:21 PM

Eric would have been voted out when Dani was HOH if he and Jessica didnt agree to the deal with Dick and Danielle to the final four. So Eric would have been gone before the veto so he should count his losses and move on. Because Dick and Danielle kept him in the game longer to do AP challenges and he earned money from those. Get over yourself.

From HD - It is possible to make a comment without being so rude. Get over your own self.

Posted by: twinsrcool at October 14, 2007 03:29 PM

There was plenty of time to let America vote. There was no food challenge that week, simply use that time for that challenge and show the POV competetion on Sunday, and then open voting. Saying there was no time is BS.

Posted by: exbbfab at October 14, 2007 03:37 PM

First of all Eric was America's Player, so Eric didn't have a choice as to what to do with the veto.....Now getting to the producer telling him that if he didn't complete the task that he would be fired from AP, Eric must have forgotten that those with feeds know how, he blew off AP task for Nick to stay, he did the opposite of what America wanted on that task, that is why he was threathen with being fired, so Eric can spin this anyway he wants to Jessica was a fool for teaming with Eric and letting him bascially run her and own her votes....So sorry Jessica wouldna, couldna, shouldna you learn as time goes on not to true anyone but yourself in life and in a game..

Posted by: Renee at October 14, 2007 04:00 PM

Eric was America's Player. He was not suppose to play for himself. With that said, he should not have won the veto if he wanted nominations changed, plain and simple. Eric is to blame for Eric, no one else. If he did not want to be AP he should have declined, period. He knew the rules before he went into the BB House. They were not changed after the fact. All this is just ridiculous and Jessica needs to get over it and blame the person who made an alliance with her, which is Eric not America or the producers. If the producers did not get involved, Eric would have been gone the week Daniele put him up. Got it!! Jessica quit being bitter and get over yourself. You were in bed with a liar and you let this liar manipulate you. Jessica you are a terrible player, and not worthy of All Stars, that is for sure. Eric had no business making an alliance with anyone, because he did not know who America's target would be that week. He also lied to Jessica about Daniele and Nick so he could get into an alliance with her. He told her Nick and Daniele went to Jen when she was HOH and tried to make a deal with her to put up Jessica or Jameka. That never happened, Eric lied. Eric also lied to Jessica about Daniele telling him Jessica was using him. That never happened. Actually Zack had told Nick Jessica was using Eric. Also Eric was suppose to have Kail evicted not Nick. Eric campaigned for Nick to get evicted when he didn't even know who America's choice was. He was determined to get Nick out no matter what America wanted. He did a half a$$ job for the camera, which he did not try at all to save Nick after he got his directive and that is when America turned on him and rightfully so. Eric has no one to blame but Eric. You were outplayed, get over yourself.

Posted by: Ginny at October 14, 2007 04:32 PM

people need to get over the fact that dick outplayed all of them..eric decided to be americas player..he did what america told him,and america like dick and dani,he had to go along with what america wanted.dick won it fair and square,jess is just a sore loser!!!! its a game.

Posted by: bonbon at October 14, 2007 04:59 PM

No doubt Jessica and Eric got boned. I figured he never had a chance to just say "Ammerica your nuts" and vote againist America's vote. I believe what Jessica said, he had many chances to vote the other way but he wasn't able too. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did becuase America didn't have his back.

Hey you guys catch the "Really" Awards of FOX Reality channel ..... the BB gang was there last night. It looks like it runs again many times.
Steve@Syracuse

Posted by: Steven at October 14, 2007 06:28 PM

I guess I wonder if this is really true. Jessica admitted that all the other houseguests are really ticked at Eric for getting paid to play. I wonder if this is just Eric trying to get out of hot water for the way he played.

Posted by: cara48917 at October 14, 2007 06:53 PM

During the double veto week there was NOT enough time for everyone to vote. Only the eastern and central time zones were able to vote that week. BB wasn't live for the central and pacific time zones. If Eric is not just saying this to try and get back in Jessica's good graces it is conceivable that the producers would not let him use the veto since more than half of the US didn't get a chance to vote. But I can't get over the feeling that Eric is trying to rehabilitate his image.

Posted by: cara48917 at October 14, 2007 07:18 PM

If anyone watched the live feeds Amber & Jameka had a conversation about how they try to persuade the HGs into voting one way. Jenn also talked about this. On the live feeds.
Of course they have to do this they know where their ratings are coming from. Ratings are money for them. It most certainly wasn't from watching Jessica sleep. What did she do the was so stratigic? (Count sheep)
What did Eric do? Other than try to keep his balance while walking. (seriously what is Jessica thinking?) The guys must be really bad in Kansas if she has feelings for this guy. He should have been on Beauty & the GEEK not Big Brother.
As far as I am concerned if I had the chance I would have voted Eric out the first week. Can you imagine how boring the show would have been watching Eric, Jessica, Jameka, Amber & Dutstin.

Posted by: Bunny Love at October 14, 2007 08:39 PM

I can't say I'm dumbfounded, I believed this BB season was fixed from the start. To those D&D fans who write "get over it", I say Dick needed help from CBS to win, otherwise he and his daughter would have LOST in a big way.

Why would anyone want to "play" the BB game now?
Being humilated on national TV only to lose the big bucks. I guess there're always those who are so self-insecure they need they're 15 minutes. What losers.

The biggest loser is CBS. Maybe 60 Minutes should investigate. lol.

BB is a competitive game and all should have an equal chance. The AP idea was a way for CBS to pick who they wanted to win. Not just Eric's POV, but all through the "game".

I think BB has run it's course, and should NOT return.

Next summer CBS needs to replace "reality" with a sitcom called "MY Big Brother ran an Amazing Race and was the last Survivor".

Thanks for the update HD

Posted by: muffy1 at October 14, 2007 08:48 PM

Eric explained it during the REAL chat. He didn't have a choice. He was America's player and there wasn't an opportunity for America to tell him what to do. Allison explained the America's player also on Housecalls. Its just sour grapes as far as I'm concerned. People crying foul over this are just upset that Jess, Eric, Dustin, etc. didn't win. Eric did what he was contractually tied to. I think he did a great job. Rest in peace BB8.... looking forward to BB9.

Posted by: Monty924 at October 14, 2007 09:47 PM

Eric didnt win POV during the fast forward nite so what does that have to do with when he won POV?

And Dick outplay everyone??? LOL No Allison outplayed everyone

Posted by: exbbfan at October 14, 2007 10:14 PM

IM BOYCOTTING BB FROM NOW ON - IN OTHER WORDS NOT WATCHING ....IN THE OLD DAYS, THERE WAS ACTUALLY SOME 'REALITY' IN REALITY TV- NOW ITS JUST WANNA BE ACTORS AND PRODUCERS SETTING UP SITUATIONS AND TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO DO. THE MANIPULATION AND ACCUSATIONS THIS SEASON AND THE FACT THAT THINGS WENT LIKE BB WANTED THEM TOO AND SO MANY 'UNFAIR ASPECTS' - ITS NOT WORTH WASTING MY TIME

Posted by: MATT at October 15, 2007 07:36 AM

I just wonder if that was legal, what they did. Game shows (that's what this is: a reality game show) have STRICT rules and regulations to abide by, and I wonder if something was violated in not allowing "America's Player" to do what America wanted.

I don't know... I just wonder. I'm sure Jessica and/or Eric will be following up with some sort of action. Unless they had to sign some waiver to be a part of BB.

Posted by: GB at October 15, 2007 08:48 AM

THE PROEUCERS AND CBS MUST BE SUED FOR INTERFERING WITH THE HG OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY A FAIR GAME AND COSTING THEM THEIR TIME AND EFFORTS> THEY NEED TO BE SUED SO THEY LEARN THEIR LESSON> THEY FOOLED THE HOUSE GUESTS THE VIEWERS COMPLAINED WHO THE HELL DOES SHE THINKS SHE IS????????

Posted by: neire johnson at October 15, 2007 08:59 AM

Icky. Slimy. Dirty. I feel like I need a bath after reading this.

I read somewhere that BB is not classified as a game show, so I suppose they don't have to follow game show rules. It must be classified as "entertainment" because it was entertaining this year.

Like a lamb to slaughter, I'll be back next year.

From HD - Same here CanFan. Same here.

Posted by: CanFan at October 15, 2007 09:59 AM

Get over it!!! Big Brother 8 is old news and so is the lame cast. If you don't like the way the producers handle the game then don't watch it.

I'm anxiously awaiting Big Brother 9. Good job Alison Grodner. Can't wait til next season. These that bitch should just change the channel and/or quit subscribing to the feeds. They only subscribe so they can report what they feel that CBS producers are doing wrong. Don't watch and move on people. Silly Hamsters reports this as if it were a crime. woooooooooooooo...call the reality polce why dont you

Posted by: Phillip at October 15, 2007 10:06 AM

I don't know. There is still room for doubt. Was Eric dumb enough to try and keep america happy cause he knew we wouldn't want him to get d/d booted? Instead maybe he stretched the truth to make it the producers fault.

Posted by: bbline_rm30 at October 15, 2007 11:57 AM

I say...so what!!! If America had been asked they would have voted for Eric to not use the veto anyway...so who really cares!!!

Posted by: PK at October 15, 2007 12:39 PM

Is this really any surprise? It was apparent to me from day one that the contest was slanted for a Donato victory. Allison Grodner and the behind the scenes crew were so far up Dicks arse that he should never need a colon cleansing again. Another thing; could we please stop referring to Dicks win as what "America" wanted? I'm a part of America and I assure you that this is not what I wanted. This is what obsessive internet voters wanted, not America. The casual BB viewer doesn't vote in these online and text polls. (At least no one I associate with) This game needs to go back to what it was before; a voyeur game show.

One last thing. Why is it surprising that some people are holding a grudge against Eric? True he was the mole, but he said alot of personal things about his so-called allies that some could take offense to. I think some of the disgruntled players maybe more hurt (Jameka) by the personal things her family probably informed her that Eric was saying about her in that last week. Anyway, it's a reality show. The lowliest of it's form. I'm over it. If this obvious favoritism happens next year they have lost a viewer. (Not that they care).

Posted by: Dominique at October 15, 2007 03:32 PM

I agree, the question was pretty much moot-if the home audience got any sort of whiff of a possible D/D backdoor (or even if there wasn't), they would have voted for Eric not to use it just to protect D/D's interest.

I think the term that fits here is "No man can serve two masters". If they wanted to do AP, hire an actor to do it (who's ineligble for the $500K-if he got to F4, they would remove him). Eric had to try and play his game while playing the AP/Producers game, and a lot of people got burned because of it (and the fact Eric got $40K is probably the bigger reason a lot of the HG's are upset at him, not the lying- plus Eric got screwed because he basically had no shot at the $500K because of the things he had to do.) If you had removed that, and just have the "Agent" play the AP/producers game and not have to worry about their own, it probably would have worked a lot better.

Posted by: David W at October 15, 2007 05:25 PM

It didnt take me long to suspect that "they" wanted the D AND D to win this season..I dont know Dick personally (thank god lol), but I do believe he is that way in person, but I think "They" wanted him to take his attitude further in the "Game" such as picking on Jen as much as he did, which I have no respect for him or anyone to treat someone else like that, thats why he did the things he did cause "They" as the Producers had his back...And, as for Danielle all I ever heard her say was "gawwwwwwwd i dont wanna be here anymore" well y didnt she just walk out the door? Guess cause MONEY = POWER..I have been watching BB since the first Season and I have to say this Season 8 was the worst...

Posted by: Steven at October 15, 2007 11:30 PM

eric didn't lie about nick wanting to put him and jessica up. nick tells jen in this clip that he wants to put up the floaters (eric/jessica).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CfsmhHS_wZk

in this clip eric is talking to jen about who threw his name, and others out as floaters to her, and jen is vague about who it was. so this could have led eric to believe daniele was on it. however nick did say he would put up jessica/eric.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cdx9kD71fkM

Posted by: sunflower05 at October 16, 2007 12:52 AM

jessica only mentioned jameka/amber holding a grudge against eric in that interview. of course other houseguests probably aren't happy with him either.

why is it that people think that it is okay for people to be holding a grudge against eric, but people are sore losers if they hold a grudge against dick.

everyone trashed talk in that house, including dick. seems if some of the contestants are holding a grugde against eric, but not dick are being a huge hypocrite.

Posted by: sunflower05 at October 16, 2007 01:07 AM

You people are crazy. Eric was America's player, he was there to play for us, not himself. So him not being allowed to use the POV makes total sense. It was already evident America wanted D & D in the house and if he used the veto and one of them left that wasnt what America wanted. I also totally agree that Eric needed to be warned about not completing his tasks because he was doing the easy ones and not the hard ones. He didnt help keep Nick in the house like we wanted and that I hated him for. I appreciated him a hell of lot more when he finally started doing what we wanted and glad bb gave a kick in his a** to do it. They did not try to convince anyone else in the house to do what they wanted, only America's player because he was to do what we wanted and not what he wanted period...end of story.

Posted by: Swt at October 16, 2007 05:48 AM

I am amazed that anyone could be surprised about this. In other interviews, the producers admitted they were making up rules as they went along. It was always obvious that certain characters were being favored. Players who cheated, and even admitted to cheating, were not penalized in any manner. Other players were lied to about the rules and the consequences. Demand a clean sweep of producers, so that a clean game can be played. Or just stop watching. Numbers speak.

Posted by: Lynn at October 17, 2007 03:07 PM

I think some people are not looking at this properly. CBS has a history of fixing game shows, remember 21? (Google it). This was the show that the movie "Quiz Show" was based on and it was a CBS show. I enjoy Big brother, Survivor, Amazing Race, Etc.,however, CBS has a history of 'fixing' game shows to maximize ratings and I don't think it will ever change. If I were the producers of Big brother, I would really be hopeful that the "21" bug doesn't come back to bite them. The FCC should investigate this, just as they did with 21.

Posted by: R.K at October 19, 2007 11:47 PM

What is the fuss about? Jess is only chewing on sour grapes...and possibly more lies from Eric to cover his a** about his antics in the house. He talked horribly about everyone in the house including Jess in the beginning of the game because he was to get her nominated. Then once she became his 'voice' so to speak after the Air Balloon outted him and Daniele went after him, Eric used others to do his dirty work. He went against what America wanted in the Nick eviction and I am sure BB did give him a kick in his pants to do as his contract warranted. He was not doing a good job up until that point. As for the others being angry with Eric, they already knew he was shady and the reveal about him being AP only made things worse in their eyes I'm sure...but finding out he made $40,000; probably made them see red, including Jessica. None of them played a good game except Dick, Daniele, Eric, Jen, and at the end Zach. All of the others; Jameka and Amber especially were too busy doing what Dustin wanted them to do. Jessica slept, ate, and drank her way through the game and depended on Eric to show her the way so now she is where she is...a loser with loser complaints and conspiracy theories to shout out in order to make excuses for her ineptitude. Get over it already...The Best Won the game. Dick, Dani, and Eric Americas Player. Sour Grapes are bitter, so just stop eating them.

Posted by: gerry at October 21, 2007 04:09 AM

The thing about the producers didn't have time for America to decide on the veto is a lie because they did the veto contest on a Saturday.

The next broadcast show was Sunday. Then the veto ceremony was Monday. The producers could have easily made some sort of vote on Sunday. Instead, they had America vote on who Eric should kiss or something.

Posted by: david at October 21, 2007 04:51 AM

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